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Edward Snowden may be a fugitive from justice, but he was right about one thing: a secret court has vastly broadened the power of the National Security Agency to spy on Americans if it wants to. How did that happen? Is it making us safer? Also, the Egyptian military orders the arrest of Islamist leaders, and President Obama wants federal workers to spy on each other.

Banner imge: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, from a screenshot of the film Prism by Praxis Films. Photo: Laura Poitras/Praxis Films

Producers:
Kerry Cavanaugh
Anna Scott
Christian Bordal

Today's Talking Point White House Tries to Preempt Leaks with Insider Threat Program 7 MIN, 29 SEC

Two years ago, after PFC. Bradley Manning's massive classified document dump, President Obama mandated what's called the Insider Threat Program. Millions of federal workers are required to report any suspicious activities on the part of their colleagues.  They face criminal penalties if they don't. Lifestyles, attitudes and behaviors, including financial troubles, odd working hours or unexplained travel are the kind of thing that might predict whether colleagues might do "harm to the United States." That's part of the rationale for the program, according to Jonathan Landay, senior national security correspondent for the McClatchy Newspapers.

Guests:
Jonathan Landay, McClatchy Newspapers (@JonathanLanday)

Making News Egyptian Military Orders Islamist Leaders Arrested 7 MIN, 46 SEC

Formal warrants have now been issued for the spiritual head of the Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and nine other leaders accused of inciting deadly protests in the aftermath of President Morsi's overthrow. And the military-led government is being promised $12 billion in aid from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and now from Kuwait. David Kirkpatrick is Cairo Bureau Chief for the New York Times.

Guests:
David Kirkpatrick, New York Times (@kirkpatricknyt)

Main Topic Is Electronic Surveillance Out of Control? 35 MIN, 50 SEC

When Edward Snowden revealed that Americans' phone calls and emails were being sucked up by government computers, the President called for a "national conversation." Yesterday, a former judge told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board he was "frankly stunned" at what's now allowed by the secret court he once served on. How did the National Security Agency get so much power? Do the courts and the Congress understand the technology, let alone provide real supervision? We hear about constitutional rights and homeland security as the "national conversation" gets under way.

Guests:
Siobhan Gorman, Wall Street Journal (@Gorman_Siobhan)
Adam Schiff, US Congress (D-CA) (@RepAdamSchiff )
Steven Bradbury, Dechert (@dechertllp)
James Bamford, journalist and author (@WashAuthor)
Ashkan Soltani, independent researcher and consultant (@ashk4n)

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