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Is same-sex marriage a right whose time has come—even though Proposition 8 made it illegal in California?  Could next week's challenge in federal court backfire even if it succeeds—because of the risk of reversal by conservatives on the highest court in the land?    On our rebroadcast of today's To the Point, when a double agent turned into a suicide bomber, seven US intelligence agents were killed in Afghanistan.  How much expertise did the CIA lose?  What does the incident say about the abilities of al Qaeda and the quality of US intelligence?  

Banner image: : Richard Yoder (R) and William Rackin (L) exchange vows during their wedding ceremony October 15, 2008 at City Hall in San Francisco, California. Photo: Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

Producers:
Sonya Geis
Christian Bordal

Main Topic A Double Agent, the CIA and al Qaeda 26 MIN, 54 SEC

A Jordanian doctor with a record as an Islamic extremist promised valuable information on Osama bin Laden’s top aide, Ayman al-Zawahri.  Seven top CIA agents, including experts on al Qaeda, flew to meet with him in Afghanistan, but failed to conduct a rudimentary search, and lost their lives when he detonated explosives he wore on his body.

Guests:
Greg Miller, Washington Post (@gregpmiller)
Michael Scheuer, former Chief, CIA's Bin Laden Unit
Brian Fishman, New America Foundation (@brianfishman)
Joshua Landis, University of Oklahoma (@joshua_landis)

The Interrogators

Greg Miller and Chris Mackey

Main Topic Proposition 8 Goes to Federal Court 25 MIN, 34 SEC

In 2008, the State Supreme Court revoked a law declaring same-sex marriage illegal in California. Months later, the voters passed Proposition 8, overturning the court decision. In the meantime, 15,000 same sex couples were married. Next Monday in San Francisco, Prop 8 will be challenged as a violation of rights protected by the constitution of the United States.

Guests:
Andrew Koppelman, Northwestern University (@NorthwesternLaw)
Ted Olson, Appellate attorney, challenging Proposition 8
Andrew Pugno, ProtectMarriage.com

Same Sex, Different States

Andrew Koppelman

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