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As America celebrates another Fourth of July, it is deeply divided. President Trump’s “zero tolerance” at the border has rekindled issues of human rights and racial equality. There is even disagreement over how to disagree. What does history teach about disruption and confrontation? Does “incivility” make things worse, or is it the price of progress toward achieving the promise of the Declaration of Independence?

Photo courtesy of Incivility SF.

Guests:
Ibram Kendi, Professor of history and international relations at American University, Director of Anti-racist Research and Policy Center, @DrIbram
Peniel Joseph, University of Texas at Austin, @PenielJoseph

CREDITS

Host:
Warren Olney

Producers:
Andrea Brody

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