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America's "crackdown on crime" has led to mass incarceration — with black Americans imprisoned out of proportion to their place in the population. We talk to the DA in Milwaukee and others about racial inequality and the role of prosecutors in the "crackdown on crime."

Also, the UN Security Council considers a military force to stop migrant smuggling, and Seymour Hersh weaves a tangled web of conspiracies in the death of Osama bin Laden.

Photo: Alexander C. Kafka

Producers:
Jenny Hamel
Christine Detz
Benjamin Gottlieb

UN Security Council Considers Military Force to Stop Migrant Smuggling 6 MIN, 29 SEC

Hundreds of migrants have died at sea while trying to reach Europe from Libya. Now the UN Security Council is working on a draft resolution that would authorize military action against human smugglers, as we hear from Somini Sengupta, who reports from the United Nations for the New York Times.

Guests:
Somini Sengupta, New York Times (@SominiSengupta)

Mass Incarceration and the Milwaukee Experiment 33 MIN, 53 SEC

The US imprisons more people than China, Iran or Russia — with blacks serving more time, more often than anyone else. The death of unarmed black Americans at the hands of police officers has renewed attention to racial inequality in the criminal justice system. In Wisconsin, African Americans are 6% of the population and 37% of the prisoners -- but the DA in Milwaukee County is trying to change that. It turns out that prosecutors have more power than cops in determining who serves time and who doesn't.  We hear about the role of race in the "crackdown on crime," which may become an issue in next year's presidential campaign.

Guests:
Jeffrey Toobin, New Yorker magazine (@JeffreyToobin)
John Chisholm, Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office
Mark Earley, Earley Legal Group
Kemba Smith-Pradia, Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission (@KembaSmith)

More:
Toobin on "the Milwaukee Experiment"
Earley on prison reform and his change of heart on criminal-justice policies
Vera Institute of Justice
Prison Fellowship

Poster Child

Kemba Smith

Seymour Hersh Dismantles US Narrative of bin Laden’s Death 9 MIN, 25 SEC

We all know the official version of Osama bin Laden — shot to death by US special forces after being hunted down to a hideout near the military town of Abbottabad in Pakistan. A new account of what really happened to Osama bin Laden is being denounced by the White House for "too many inaccuracies and baseless assertions." But the author is legendary investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, and it's attracting a lot of attention. In the London Review of Books, Hersh claims bin Laden was not hiding at all — but held captive by the Pakistanis until they sold his location for money.

Guests:
Peter Bergen, CNN / New America Foundation (@peterbergencnn)
Richard Reeves, USC Annenberg School for Communication

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Peter L. Bergen

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