Kinky 24/7 full transcript

Myisha: I'm just imagining someone just being like, super uncomfortable with when they're getting like, turned on.

Tina: I'm sort of imagining Beavis and Butthead. I'm imagining this just errrrrr!

Myisha: Jitters! Jitters, yeah.

Tina: Yeah, I mean, and I say that from experience. I identify as a, as a Beavis for sure, sexually.

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Myisha: Welcome back to another episode of KCRW's How's Your Sex Life? I'm your host Myisha Battle. Today I'm joined by our guest, Tina Horn. Tina is a BDSM educator and writer. She also hosts “Why Are People Into That?,” a podcast that explores sex, kink and gender. It's so good, and it's being turned into a book that'll be out later this year. Tina, thank you so much for being here. I feel very honored and privileged to be sharing space with you again, before we dig into our listener questions. Can I ask you a question?

Tina: Of course, I would love that.

Myisha: How's your sex life?

Tina: Oh, um, I think that people are surprised when I say that I'm quite private about my sex life because like, my, my ass, like literally and figuratively. My ass is out.

Myisha: Yeah. And your handle on Instagram is Tina Horn’s Ass.

Tina: That's right. You can follow it wherever asses are followed. Yeah. I mean, also, my sex life. I identify as a sexual extrovert, right, so I am in some ways, an exhibitionist about some things more than others. Meaning that I love to be watched and get off and being watched and I'm an attention whore. And I charge for for paying attention to me! It's very valuable, but I also identify as a sexual extrovert in the sense that like, my community, and culture, and so much of my life is about sex. So you asked me, how's my sex life? Like, I've watched a lot of great porn lately, I've read a lot of great books about sex, including yours. I listened to a lot of podcasts about sex, including yours, like, you know, living in LA, I get to go to rep theaters and and get to see like old sexploitation movies. I go to sex parties, I also go to leather bars where it's not necessarily like a, like a sex party, but it you know, people are other people are being sexually extroverted and, like, so, yeah, art and even, like, platonic friendships are very much in my life, like about having the kind of conversation that we're going to have today. So not to be cagey, but there are parts of my sex life that are not available for consumption that are fucking fabulous and you'll never know, because it's not work material.

Myisha: Yes, yes. Yes. I've been nodding vigorously because, one, I'm pretty similar. You know, we might get into this about like, the politics even of like sharing certain things about your sex life, on social media, and how much you can do that without being punished.

Tina: Oh, yeah. We can certainly talk about that.

Myisha: But that's never been my, my route. I am more of a private person, too. So it's funny, yesterday I was having dinner with a friend and she told me that, you know, she was talking about me with other friends. And it was like, "Oh, she's great. Like, you know, she's a sex coach and whatever," and then this other like, friend of a friend was like, "Well, does she have a great sex life?" As if that's the only thing that would make me good at my job, right? Like, I do think that there's and also when we say sex life, like, what does that mean? Like, to me you just described a fantastic sex life that's very robust. That's very diverse.

Tina: And it is, yeah, my life is definitely devoted to sex.

Myisha: Yeah!

Tina: I have a very devotional relationship to sex.

Myisha: Which a lot of people don't! And one of the things that I try to do with my clients is get them from thinking about sex as this thing that's like other, that's like, separate from that they can't integrate into their life, to like, just make your life more erotic. You know, like have an erotic life! There are studies where people on their deathbeds are like, "I wish I had more sex," or "I wish I just like, told people what I liked, because I might have gotten it," you know?

Tina: Yeah.

Myisha: And, yeah, so I want people to have more robust sex lives like this and I don't think it's a cagey answer at all. I think it's a very respectful answer.

Tina: I think that in the like, sexpert world, which is a term that I really don't like, actually.

Myisha: Same.

Tina: As much of a fan of portmanteaus as I am like, I feel like there is this sort of expectation that like, you've reached Nirvana, like some sort of erotic Nirvana, and I don't think I even want to reach erotic nirvana. I like friction and conflict and rejection and disappointment. That is like part of what makes a beautiful sex life. It's the shadow that creates dimension.

Myisha: I'm just giving that a healthy pause that it deserves. No, that's beautiful! Yeah, I just I really value your perspective. I'm really glad that you took the conversation that way. And I hope that many more people decide to have just just start to dabble like, you know, it's a new year just start to dabble in something new and explore sex from a different angle. Like don't let it always be coming at you from the same angle every single time. I know that sounds. Maybe I mean it both ways, you know what I mean? Mix it up.

Tina: Yeah. I mean, absolutely. Always come at me from my good side!

Myisha: Okay, so you put a call out to your followers on social. So did we, for questions, and we're ready to dish out some advice, I think.

Tina: Great.

Myisha: Yeah?

Tina: Yeah. Oh, I'm so ready to collaborate with you on this.

Myisha: Yay, okay. So let's dig in. This question came from one of your followers.

Question 1: Since I started testosterone, I'm hornier, but I have less libido. I think it's mental, but I don't know how to overcome it. Do you have any advice?

Tina: Yeah, first of all, I want to say I'm no doctor. Unfortunately, there's a lot of doctors who still have a lot to learn about trans healthcare. I also am not personally on hormone replacement therapy. I have a lot of friends who are. So I definitely am not able to answer this question from any kind of medical expertise. I guess my first recommendation is, I want to make sure that everyone is having conversations about everything related to their sex life with as many of their friends as possible. And even if you have, like certain friends that, like maybe you have sex with them, maybe you used to, maybe you hope to in the future, maybe you don't but like, sort of platonic conversations about everything related to sexuality, especially if your sexuality is marginalized by society. And there's so much misinformation and disinformation out there.

Myisha: Yeah, yeah.

Tina: So I want to start there.

Myisha: I love that caveat and I agree. I think that we can talk about this a little bit from personal experience of the ebbs and flows of hormonal charge that we get as cis women and then also I want to add a layer of like, what testosterone does to a body. Here's the thing - with cis men their testosterone cycle, which is their main driver for sex, is on a 24 hour cycle.

Tina: Isn't it though?

Myisha: So it feels endlessly replenished, just by their natural cycle. So when you have someone going through hormone therapy, they're getting that, that input of testosterone, maybe even on a more more consistent basis, you know, depending on levels depending on where they are in their process. So this person says they're horny, but they have low libido. And I kind of want to parse that out, because sometimes I think those two do get conflated.

Tina: Yeah. How would you define the difference between those two things without following up about this person's definition? Like, just for you what, how would you make that distinction?

Myisha: If I'm trying to, to kind of like, distinguish those two like, horny is like that ah, like, I just like, even the tingle in the genitals like, okay, like something's going on here!

Tina: Yeah, ants in your pants.

Myisha: Ants in your pants, like, oh, man, and it feels like a motivator towards sex. But libido feels more like, okay, I have low libido like, it's like a chronic, you know, I just don't have access to this, or I do have access to this. I think of this as like, when you think about psychology, and they talk about like, your mood versus your emotions. Emotions are the sort of like daily conditions, and then mood is this like, overarching season, you know? So that could be a distinction. And we're being fussy here too. And we're just trying to parse out what this person means. If I were to like try to distinguish those two things, I think people use those terms interchangeably, but maybe this person means like, generally speaking, I don't have a high libido meaning I'm like, not motivated to like, go fuck a partner.

Tina: More like the drive. Like a sex drive.

Myisha: The drive, like it's just not there. But like, I can go to a work meeting and be turned on and that, that's the T. That's the T talking.

Tina: Right. Right.

Myisha: That's my, that's my impression of what this person is going through.

Tina: I mean I, like I said, I'm no doctor, but I'm going to prescribe a healthy solo sex routine. I'm just like, I mean, listen, I'm cis and I'm not on HRT, and I, like jerking off for me is absolutely like, it's stress relief, it's exercise, it's like, getting all the happiness hormones going, it's good for my brain, it's good for it, you know, and like, it makes me more manageable for other people in all of my relationships, because I'm like, taking care of my high sex drive.

Myisha: Yes and there is a link between solo sex and sex drive. So if we're talking about this person having low libido, actually introducing a solo practice that's like pretty regular, perhaps this is nightly when you come home from work and you kind of like have a wind down that you want to add this into the routine, you know, that can actually have a long term effect because you are giving yourself permission to engage in you know, your sexuality on a regular basis and that often in in my sex coach training, it was called priming the pump you know, or like, you know, you're just kind of like working that muscle like you said, it's like exercise, right?

Tina: Yeah. Keeping it greased.

Myisha: Yes! So keeping things greasy.

Tina: Keep it greasy! That's, that's the Tina Horn way for sure.

Myisha: And then, you know, that could actually give you that boost so you're not like, experiencing what I'm imagining. I'm just imagining someone just being like, super uncomfortable with when they're getting like, turned on.

Tina: Yeah, I'm imagining a very like, I'm sorry, reader, writer, but like, I'm sort of imagining Beavis and Butthead. I'm imagining this just like errrrrr!

Myisha: Jitters! Jitters, yeah.

Tina: Yeah. I mean, I say that from experience, I identify as a, as a Beavis for sure, sexually.

Myisha: Alright, so I think like, yeah, for this person, we want them to just start to like, expel that energy. Like, you're getting hits from T that like, this is what your body is wanting, and whether you're dating somebody you know, or you're solo, like you can masturbate and have that as a practice to actually hopefully boost that libido a little bit so it feels like not, like the two are at odds with each other.

Tina: Totally.

Myisha: I think that's fair. Okay!

Tina: Cool.

Myisha: And that is an excellent place for us to take a break. When we come back, we're going to hear from someone who needs help keeping things fresh in a kink relationship, which I know you know a thing or two about.

Tina: Me?

Myisha: Tina will be sticking around for that, so stay close.

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Myisha: And we're back. Tina, this question came from one of your followers. Let's listen in.

Question 2: I'm a mommy dom in a 24/7 relationship with my baby sub. Do you have any tips for me on how I can stay creative in our relationship?

Myisha: Of course this came from your audience!

Tina: Listen, you know, you, you gotta like, give whatcha take.

Myisha: That's right! So I think first, let's dive into what is this dynamic here? What is mommy dom, baby sub? Like what are we actually describing here? 24/7 relationship? What does that mean?

Tina: Okay, I'm so glad you asked. So, in the BDSM, or leather kink, or fetish communities, there's a long tradition and actually, very specifically comes from, from queer leather. So kinky, queer people, definitely counter cultures that emerged in the 20th century, where there are power dynamics, right, that's a big part of BDSM. And sometimes you have a dominant and a sub, and that there can be as many different styles or flavors of that as like flavors of ice cream. And one of those flavors is the daddy boy or daddy girl, or mommy boy, mommy girl, whatever. And these identities can be held by anyone of any gender, they're sort of archetypes that are bigger than someone's actual gender identity. They're like tarot cards. And to be very clear, upfront, these dynamics have nothing to do on a literal level with abuse or incest.

Myisha: These are not actually biologically related.

Tina: Or even like, and we can talk about fauxcest porn, it's not even like your stepmom or your father figure. These these are dynamics that people are invoking and the reason that they invoke them is that a mommy dom or a daddy top is identifying that way to send a signal to potential compatible partners that they are a more nurturing kind of dominant, right?

Myisha: Even with daddy doms?

Tina: Definitely. Absolutely. More nurturing and, you know, Daddy's can be strict, you know, Daddy's can can be disciplined and structured, but a sort of more like, like a mistress dominant, or the, like, dommiest dom from dom town. It may be like, you know, I'm very, I'm very sadistic, I'm very, maybe even like cold and aloof, right? And so the expectation with mommy or a daddy is that they are going to be that they are going to be more nurturing. And sometimes in queer community that also is even the idea of like, a house mother and ballroom. The idea of chosen family, right, the idea that you may be excommunicated from your family of origin, because of who you are, but when you're here your family, right? So that's where that tradition comes from and I think that we are seeing, and I do write about this in my book, "Why Are People Into That?," I do think that we're seeing a, something that happens a lot where extreme fetishes, even things that invoke something as as dark as an allegory as, as non consensual abuse of an exploitation of of incest, then they become allegories in the fetish world. And then you'll have people who are identifying as leather daddies who are like, "Oh, no, this has nothing to do with like, my dad. No, that's weird. Don't. Why would you say that," right? And then it kind of becomes a part of the mainstream and gets appropriated to the point that I'm sure a lot of our listeners are very familiar. I feel like it gets more and more popular every year, where people are like, you know, such and such celebrity is Mother, you know, like, or she's, uh, she's mothering so hard or like, she is like, Pedro Pascal is Daddy, right? Oscar Isaac is Daddy. And Sarah Paulson is Mother. Right? And so I think that, I don't know, everybody is looking for someone to reparent them. And so then in a kink relationship like this where you might, you might have a sub, or you might have a boy, you might have a gender neutral, there are like gender neutral terms, like BOI, you know, that dynamic tends to be one that is about, like, I'm, I'm dominating you, I'm submitting to you, we have that, that dynamic and that feedback loop, because it's hot, and we get off on that. But a lot of the time, it's also about it is kind of like coaching, like what you do. It is like the sub might be in service to their, to their dominant. The mommy might be like, I'm gonna pick out your clothes for you, you know, and sometimes it's a contained roleplay, but in this case, it's 24/7, which means just what it says. That there is an understanding that how sometimes that dynamic is going to be really intense, like during a scene where people are playing together, or like in the bedroom when they're fucking. And there are asexual versions of these kink dynamics, for sure. But then however diffuse it gets in the rest of their lives, the idea is that that dynamic is always with them. Now, ethical players are going to be having discussions about what desires and boundaries and curiosities are going to be like going into this 24/7 agreement. And also, how are we going to signal to each other, when we're really deep in that, and when we're not. So there might be like a playful version of that in the grocery store, that you or I would be like shopping next to that person and we had would have no idea what was zinging around between their heads and their eye contact in the produce section. Whereas it would be inappropriate if people were like fully playing in the produce section. Because I didn't, I'm just trying to buy some melons, you know, like, I'm just trying to feel those melons to see which one will be ready two days from today from my picnic, you know. So I know a lot of people who are in very functional, what I would consider to be very functional, very ethical 24/7 relationships, and like, part of my definition of that, as a friend of somebody who's in a 24/7 relationship is like, don't non consensually involve me in your dynamic, like, just because you're that person's mommy, and I'm their friend doesn't mean that you're my mommy.

Myisha: Right and that gets into I think, like, this is a lot like, it would be a lot to navigate on a day to day basis. Like where, you know, where the lines are. We don't know how long this person has been in this 24/7 dynamic with their partner.

Tina: That's true.

Myisha: But they are deep enough in it to where they're like, "Shit, I'm out of ideas."

Tina: And who amongst us can't relate to that!

Myisha: Right?

Tina: Right, and that's the other element of this question is creativity in a relationship, right? And what what do you say for people who like don't have a connection between their like, generative creative side and their sexuality or they have in the past, but they're feeling like, writer's block?

Myisha: Yeah, I think that like, I see a lot of people who get stuck in whatever sexual dynamic that they're in. And I think that the more narrow you make it, the harder it becomes. Some people are very generative within like, very structured parameters.

Tina: Yeah.

Myisha: So I want to respect that, but I do think that when you like kind of go deep and narrow as this listener, you know, this this question asker is is doing, I'm in this dynamic 24 hours a day, and I've got to keep coming up with ways to be in dynamic with them, uh, I feel there's a part of me that feels like maybe it's time to pause. You know what I mean? And, like, have a discussion about what the two of you want. And I know that like this dynamic is challenging, because in the role of mommy dom like, you know all, right? You're supposed to know all.

Tina: And you're expected to do so much invisible labor!

Myisha: Yeah, yeah. So I think it calls for maybe a pause if you're feeling stuck, because you may be taking on too much yourself having to be the generator. Because what this dynamic does, because of these strict roles, is it limits how much dialogue there can be and how much collaboration. So whenever I have clients who are in just purely vanilla relationships, and they're kind of stuck in there, that they, it's really funny that there are parallels here, because it's like, no matter what we decide to do, we are humans, we fall into patterns.

Tina: Totally.

Myisha: We go with what works, quote, unquote, and and it's so easy to fall into that and just let that ride for as long as possible until one day, you realize that what you've been doing that worked doesn't work anymore, because you've done it so many fucking times. And and it's, it's interesting to think about that in a situation where it seems so, so creative, and so like, anti-vanilla mundane life, right? But it still comes with a very similar challenge of like, no, you've got to, like put that energy and work in, so when I'm working with vanilla clients, it's about communicating. Okay, well, where do we where do we, as a couple want to go? Is there a new territory? Or is there territory that we forgot? Like, there was stuff we used to do in the beginning of the relationship that kind of fell off because we got into this groove of like, okay, we're doing this, you came, I came done, you know?

Tina: Yeah.

Myisha: And then we don't, for instance, like kiss anymore, or we don't do oral sex anymore, or whatever. So are there things in the past like fell off that can be brought back afresh, anew with these new bodies and these new scenarios that you have inevitably, because that was the past and this is now? And also, what do we want to create in the future? So maybe the elements of the mommy dom that you brought to the table before they really worked, but having to keep it up you're noticing that you're just losing a lot of stamina, you're losing a lot of energy around this. Maybe it's time to fucking like, go Mommy Dearest, you know what I mean?

Myisha: I'm so glad that you said Mommy Dearest because that, that again, is, you know, there's an exercise that I love to recommend from Midori's book and anytime you can look into Midori's work, San Francisco legend, fetish kink legend and sex educator. Midori has this book called Wild Side Sex, and she has an exercise in it that she teaches also in femme dom classes, but it can apply to whatever your erotic archetype is, where you where you seek out erotic archetypes in pop culture, in literature, in history, maybe even people that you know, and you can make a list of elements that you want to embody that you feel that you do embody. And this goes for the the dom and the sub, the mommy and the baby, because there's different archetypes of babies as well, right? Like, are you a bratty baby? Are you a fussy baby? Are you a little angel? Are you like Mommy's little plaything like whatever? And yeah, like as a Mommy, are you a tyrant? Like Mommy dearest? Are you are you interested in in in nurturing? Like, are you a coach? Are you a soccer mom? Are you a stage mom, you know? And like what is what is something that you respond to in culture that then you can also make a list of qualities about, you know, Joan Crawford, that you that you want to embody that maybe you didn't realize were connected to you, but when you start to think about that embodiment of that archetype, you're like, Well, wait, you know, maybe we can have a wire hanger scene. But I think like if you are, if you're both invested in being creative, then think about the elements of creativity whether you yourself are a like, theatrically minded person or a literary minded person, or like maybe you're an engineer, maybe maybe kink is your creative outlet, right?

Myisha: Yeah.

Tina: So like, thinking about, like, take it from a theater queer, like props help, costumes help, and I don't necessarily like respond to the those things but I find, so you don't have to if like, putting on a French maid outfit, like leaves you feeling cold or silly.

Myisha: Not cold, they're very short.

Tina: They're, I mean, they're cold if you're trying to walk down the street in them, but yeah, you don't have to do these things, but you can try them. And like, changes in atmosphere. Also like, reading erotic novels together and talking about what you like and what you don't like, because boundaries are just as important for creating structure as as desires. And yes, I love your advice about thinking about where you want to go, because if part of what attracts you to, like, a mommy baby dynamic is the idea of, you know, like, just part of what people want to access by, you know, with that kind of age play, which just again, to be one hundred percent crystal clear is about adults embodying ages other than they currently are, right? But like embodying the play, the make believe, the imagination of total innocence of someone who is just being completely cared for, of somebody who doesn't have to use any executive functioning, you know, that could look a lot of different ways to a lot of different people. Oh, and the last piece of advice that I want to give is, you know, the fact that you're asking us this question is a sign that you too are being sexually extroverted and kink extroverted, and like, reaching out for community and culture, but like, you need a mommy group, you know? And if you can't find one, make one, right? Like, serve cookies! Like, come on, it's right there. And make a baby group, you know, or make submissive groups like, there are so many like affinity groups out there. And part of that is about having support for something that isn't working. Part of it is about like generating ideas. Some of it is about accountability, like, like, you know, is, is this way that you're being dominated like actually nurturing you or not? And like, is it time to, is it time to break up? Is it time to pause, like, oh, and sometimes it's just like, there's not enough cultural representation of these things in a heteronormative world. So like, just like feeling less alone. And, and then you too can offer support and help to others, and sometimes in helping support others that can generate creativity for you because sometimes, creativity happens when you're focusing, and sometimes creativity happens when you are taking your mind off it. Like when you have a shower idea, right? A shower idea, meaning you're not thinking, you're not concentrating, and then the idea comes to you in the shower, also, you know, take a shower together! You'll probably, you'll save water and come up with some ideas.

Myisha: Yeah, no, I think like, in general, what we're saying is, don't take this on alone, you know? That, like, I think we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to like, come up with the idea and fix it and solve it, especially within the confines of this role that they're playing. So I'm saying maybe communicate with your sub. Okay, let's, let's see where we want to take this and is there any room for negotiation? If I do take on this mommy dearest role are you okay with that? Like, let's see how that dynamic feels for us for a little while, etcetera. And then you're saying too, like, bring in outside community as well. So don't do this in a vacuum. There are people out there who are probably struggling with similar concerns. And you know, just just the generative space of being around people who are, you know, exploring the same things you are, or who have had that experience in the past and overcame it would be great to like, pick their brain and also be that person who can offer that to someone else, once you get through this.

Tina: And the erotic irony of BDSM often is that the sub might actually be the one to take the lead outside of the confines of the dynamic. Now when you have a 24/7 dynamic, part of the idea is like, total power exchange every second of every day, even when you're sleeping, in a in a crib or whatever, you know, an adult sized crib. But you know, they're in an ethical BDSM relationship. It is my opinion that there always needs to be space for the submissive to speak up and that can be about boundaries, but it can also be like the sub might have, who has better insight into mommy than baby, right? Like the submissive might have like the best ideas to take the lead, maybe counter intuitively, on how this can change and like it might be a relief for even if the idea of the 24/7 exchanges that you both crave that like, being in control or surrendering control all the time, like, creativity is a really good example of how sometimes the best ideas can come from the person who is doing the surrendering.

Myisha: Mhmm Mhmm. I love that. Thank you! I think we gave this person some, some places to go, some people to see.

Tina: Yeah, let us know how it goes!

Myisha: All right, Tina, I'm so glad you joined us. I want people to know where they can find you on the internet, but also IRL. Your book is coming out later this year, which we're super excited about. I'm definitely getting my copy. So yeah, so where can people find you?

Tina: Yeah, so my website is Tina Horn dot net. That's T-I-N-A-H-O-R-N dot net. I am on Twitter, and Instagram at T-I-N-A-H-O-R-N-S-A-S-S. If you want to think about following my sass and not my ass, that's fine with me. And yeah, if you go to my website, you'll be able to sign up for my newsletter, which is really just like when I have a workshop that I'm teaching. I identify now as an educatrix, so teach a lot of online classes which you can access from anywhere in the world. Yeah, so I have a new comic book, because I do also write genre fiction, called Deprog. So if you're interested in queer detective fiction, check that out. And then the really big news of 2024 is that “Why Are People Into That?” the book from Hachette Press is coming out in June. And yeah, if you're interested in BDSM and power dynamics and fetishes and the flesh and the fantasy, you'll definitely want to check out “Why Are People Into That?”

Myisha: Oh! Can I plug a book that you, you have?

Tina: Yeah, of course please, plug away!

Myisha: I recommend your sexting book to people all the fucking time.

Tina: Oh thank you! Happy to hear that.

Myisha: So if you're somebody who right now is online dating and you don't know how to take this conversation to sexting, please, Tina Horn's book Sexting is out there for you to educate yourself on how to do this with confidence!

Tina: Thank you so much and yeah, that god, it's wild to think about how that book is almost 10 years old and dated. But I hope it's not dated, because it's really a book about dirty talk that can apply to whatever virtual reality we come up with. But I'm so glad that you plugged that book and I love your book and recommend it to people all the time. And yeah, that's what's going on with me.

Myisha: Congratulations.

Tina: Thank you. Congrats to you too! Mazel tov.

Myisha: All right. That's it for our episode. Thanks so much for sharing your questions with us and thank you so much Tina for being with us.

Tina: Thanks Myisha.

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Myisha: If you need advice about your love life, I'm here to help. Just send me an email or voice memo to sex life at KCRW dot org. See you next week!

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Myisha: How's Your Sex Life? is a KCRW original podcast. Our producer is Andrea Bautista. Our executive producer is Gina Delvac. This episode was recorded by Phil Richards and mixed by Hope Brush. Our music was created by Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs. Special thanks to Arielle Torrez, Malorie McCall, Adam Serrano, Connie Alvarez, Arnie Seipel, and Jennifer Ferro. And last but not least, a huge thanks to our voice actors. We'll let them introduce themselves on their way out.

Voice Actor 1: This is Andrea Bautista. Thanks for listening.

Voice Actor 2: This is Gina Delvac. See you next time for another episode of How's Your Sex Life.