Porn Literacy full episode transcript

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Myisha Battle: I'm just gonna read this question as is. You can take it or not.

Holly Randall: Okay. That makes me nervous. (laughter)

Myisha: Have you ever jacked it to a scene you directed?

Holly: No! Hundred percent no. Oh my god. So this is another reason why I have a hard time watching porn is because I know everybody in the scene, it has to be people like I've never seen before. Yeah, I need to be able to objectify you basically. (laughter)

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Myisha: Welcome back to another episode of KCRW's How's Your Sex Life. I'm your host Myisha Battle. I'm so excited to get to your questions today and I'm not doing this alone. I'm joined by my guest, Holly Randall. Holly has worked in the porn industry for over 20 years. She also hosts the podcast Holly Randall Unfiltered. Her show strips down misconceptions people have about the adult film industry and we are definitely going to get into that today. Holly, thank you so much for being here!

Holly: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

Myisha: Yeah, as you know, this is an advice show and you're no stranger to giving advice to your listeners. So yes, I'd like to ask you first though. How's your sex life?

Holly: Well, I'm married. So it's nonexistent.

Myisha: Okay!

Holly: I'm married with a three year old. So, who has sex when they have children? No, I'm just kidding.

Myisha: Thank you for normalizing that for people.

Holly: I mean, you know, truthfully, like, I know, people, you know, look at me, and I work in the adult industry and they think like, I must be wild and crazy, but I'm really not. I mean, in my youth, maybe, but I'm, like, have a pretty vanilla normal sex life, you know, we, we do make a concerted effort to do it, because it's important to have those moments of intimacy and closeness because it's so easy to get distracted by all the trappings of life and, you know, being parents and we both work full time jobs. So, but it is something that we have to kind of schedule time for, which sort of makes it less romantic in a way but, you know, we do our best we light some candles and lights and stuff like that. The usual. Yeah.

Myisha: That's, that's kind of the bottom line, right? It's like, break up the routine. Schedule it sometimes. Don't think about it as like the end all be all.

Holly: Right! Yeah. It's kind of funny, because I know that, you know, many people experience the situation where maybe they're, they have these kinks that they're like, ashamed of, or, you know, they don't wanna talk to their partner about and, you know, or they'll think I'm weird or whatever. Like the opposite problem. I feel like I'm so vanilla. I'm, like, ashamed of how vanilla I am. And people be like, Oh, you must be into this. You must be into this. You must be into this. And I'm like, no, I'm just like a regular person. I like missionary. You know, like, we have sex for you know, we don't have sex for 45 minutes.

Myisha: Who has the time?

Holly: Oh my god.

Myisha: Honestly.

Holly: I know. Even like porn stars don't generally have sex for 45 minutes. It's like broken up in chunks of like, breaks, water breaks, lube, stuff like that. So it's very rare to go all the way through.

Myisha: Thank you, thank you! Break that myth.

Holly: Yes.

Myisha: You know, people are turning to porn and saying like, well, if I'm watching this video for half an hour, and it's like, that's not how, that's not how it works.

Holly: There's also like a lot of movie magic in porn scenes that make it appear maybe rougher or, or whatnot, more so than it actually is, so.

Myisha: Okay, we could have a whole other podcast.

Holly: Yeah!

Myisha: This is great. Okay, but we're gonna get into some questions from our audience. Let's listen to the first one.

Holly: Okay

Question 1: Hey, Myisha, do you have any recommendations for good feminist centered porn sites? Or educational sex resources?

Myisha: Holly, what do you think about this term feminist porn because I definitely hear requests from my clients a lot for it. And me personally, I think feminist porn is like a squishy term. Ethical porn gets thrown around a lot. So I'd love to hear your take.

Holly: Yeah, no, that's a good point. I mean, I think like, the first thing that comes to mind when people say like, feminist porn to me would be Erika Lust, right? Lust Cinema. It's all very female centric. It's more about the woman, the female experience, the connection. The one thing that is something that they don't focus on a lot in, like Lust Cinema films, compared to the stuff that I generally would shoot for, like Brazzers or stuff that's very male dominated, is there doesn't have to be this brightly lit penetration. So for them, so Casey Calvert is a great friend of mine, and she directs for them and we were on a panel, a women's director panel the other day, and she was talking about how she didn't have to shoot penetration for her scenes. Like, it didn't matter if you didn't really see that much. It was more about the connection between the performers, their faces, the eye contact and that kind of stuff. And I was just sitting there feeling so jealous so it just sounds like so nice to not have to be like 'Okay, open up. Alright, bring the seat light in and we gotta go' like that kind of thing. So, yeah, I think that anything that focuses more around like the female gaze rather than the men's gaze, but like you said, again, that's kind of like a squishy term, because in that situation, we assume that all women want the same thing. And all women want a storyline, and they want romance and they want all that. And that's not true. Like, I know a lot of women who are into some pretty wild shit, you know, when they and they want something that people might associate generally with, like what men want to see. So I think that's a difficult thing to say. And it also points to the fact that, like, the fact that this viewer doesn't know where to find this, that points to the whole, like, lack of porn literacy that frustrates me because people don't know where to find different kinds of porn. Everybody has this idea that porn is this one thing, right? Whatever shows up on PornHub, the minute you log in on that front page, stepbrother stuff, MILF stuck in the dryer, like whatever, like, nonsense is trending at the moment. But like, porn is not one thing. Porn is so many different things. And whatever you're into, you can find the content that appeals to you. I just wish it was easier for people to find and then they didn't have to ask these questions.

Myisha: Yeah. And I think it's a double barrier, right? It's like, they don't know where to go. A lot of my clients don't know where to go for, like, traditional porn, you know, it's just not something that they've allowed themselves to explore. Or they may have seen something on PornHub. And we're so turned off by how aggressive it seemed. And it was so far from what they wanted that they were just like, well, all porn is this, right? And they can't really see beyond that one reality. So I think Pink Label, there's a website that has like a directory of a bunch of porn sites. Basically, that's what I send to my clients when they ask for feminist porn. There was a feminist porn awards, many, many years ago. So it's like, kind of an outdated site, like even me, I have a hard time. I can yeah, I can refer people to the Erika Lust, Bellesa to some degree.

Holly: I was gonna say Bellesa, yeah.

Myisha: For queer porn CrashPad series is great. But I learned about these going to a feminist porn awards, or feminist porn show, rather, with Tristan Toarmino, like in 2011, or 2012. And so like, if these things aren't necessarily, like, if we're not having awards, or recognition, or festivals that celebrate this, then there's not really this like, collection of sites that stays current. And for people who are looking for the most current things, what they're going to find is mostly the mainstream porn. So so it's like the shame part of like, I don't want to look and then it's the when I look, what I see is not for me, I think that creates this this kind of double barrier.

Holly: And the fact that there was only, what, one feminist porn awards, right? And then that was it.

Myisha: That was it pretty much, as far as I know.

Holly: Right. No, I do think if there was more, I would know about it, too. And it's, you know, they probably only did one because it like didn't make financial sense or something like that, which is just another I mean, you know, honestly, most porn consumers are men.

Myisha: Yeah.

Holly: You know, I mean, that's just statistically that is true. I think generally, a lot of times women don't necessarily watch porn they like to read

Myisha: And listen!

Holly: And listen, yeah. Yeah, for me, like, like porn is reading. Like, if I'm going to go to porn, it's it's almost never going to be visual. It's going to be something like on LitErotica or something like that.

Myisha: Mhm mhm. I recommend my clients check out Dipsea,. There's also Aurore, which is a newer one on the block. I think they started with writing and then now have added audio. And Dipsea has done the opposite. They started with audio and then now they're adding written so yeah, you're right. There's like lots of different ways to get at this people. You know, you can you can get some some good erotic material in your life without seeing these like intense scenes that make you feel uncomfortable.

Holly: Yes.

Myisha: Okay, great! Let's, let's get to our next question. It's not really porn related, but I was really curious to hear your take on it.

Holly: Okay.

Question 2: My little brother and his wife recommended HBOs Industry to us, it seemed up our alley. It's about the stock market, cutthroat rising up the ranks of a firm and very gratuitous sex. You see the after sploosh and it goes on for several minutes longer than the scene needs to and nobody is happy when they do it. My husband and I were so shocked that they so casually recommended this show without telling us we need to close our windows first. Every time a sex scene came on we couldn't stop giggling that my quiet little brother recommended this show and didn't even warn us. Maybe it's because we come from a Christian upbringing, and there's some deep rooted religious stuff that I just haven't been able to shake off. Anyway, if I recommend the show to somebody else, should I disclose how nasty the sex is?

Holly: I mean, it sounds like from the listener's experience that yes. I mean clearly like they wanted that information that it was sexually gratuitous, so I feel like they've answered their own question. I feel like even if I recommended a show to somebody that had a lot of gratuitous sex in it, I would warn them, but probably in a positive way. Like, ‘Oh my god, you have got to watch this show there's so much dick in it!’ Like, so, you know what I mean?

Myisha: This sex sounds tragic though! The way that they describe

Holly: It does! It does sound very, very sad!

Myisha: That's the part I would want to know about because like things like, like that movie Shame. I love that movie, but like, I have to be in the right headspace to watch it because by the end, you're just like, oh, my god! The Michael Fassbender Shame movie. There's a bunch of Shame movies out there, but that that one in particular, I'm like, this is some dark ass stuff. It's hot. But it like takes you on this journey where you're just like, 'Oh, I am tired and very sad.' So that that kind of content warning, I think is helpful.

Holly: Yeah, I mean, sex can be so many different things. Right?

Myisha: Yeah.

Holly: I mean, it's it can be happy and sad, violent, and bittersweet. And all of those things.

Myisha: You also don't strike me as somebody who would find it hard to convey that information even to a family member.

Holly: Yeah. So I feel like I always assume that people know this, but I know that that's not true so, my mother is Suze Randall, who was the one of the first women working behind the scenes in the adult industry. She was the first female photographer on staff for Playboy. She was like the first female photographer for Hustler, for Penthouse. And, you know, she was working in the mid 70s, you know, through the 80s 90s 2000s. And especially early in her career, she really was the only woman working in the adult industry, like, who wasn't a performer. And my father, they were together, you know, since their 20s. And he helped her build her career, and he did all the business and all the behind the scenes. So I basically grew up around the porn industry, you know, I was my birth was announced in Hustler magazine. Which is like, weird, I guess. But you know, whatever. For me, it's not. And I would say that my parents definitely raised me in an environment where there wasn't shame around sex and nudity, which I know is not a lot of people's experience. So I feel like I have a healthy relationship with sex because of that. People may think that it's strange that I was raised by parents who worked in the porn industry. But to me, it's wild that people were raised by ultra religious parents who like shamed them about masturbation and wouldn't talk to them about sex and, you know, said that they had to wait till they got married. Like that, that's crazy to me. So, you know, it's all about like, what we know, right?

Myisha: Yeah, I feel similarly, and I didn't have parents that worked in the adult film industry, but it definitely was impressed upon me having kind of like, hippie parents that, you know, this is normal. This is a part of life. I wasn't really sheltered from things. You know, as I was growing up, I was able to watch whatever they were watching without too much. I mean, I was the only one like, covering my eyes being like, I don't like this. But yeah it is interesting, especially since I work with clients so much who do come from those backgrounds, and I do empathize because I was raised in Louisiana. So there was that Christian bible belt stuff all around me. And it's, you know, it was hard to sort of maintain that little like bubble around it. So it's interesting to hear that, like, you grew up kind of like, having that as the norm and then seeing that as sort of like, not abnormal, but just, that's, you know, very strange that you had those messages. Yeah, yeah. Well, cool, thank you so much for sharing that.

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Myisha: We're gonna take a quick break, but when we get back, we're gonna have some rapid fire questions from your audience.

Holly: Okay, I'm ready! I'm gonna chug my coffee.

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Myisha: And we are back. Holly, you put a call out to your followers, which was so nice and they came back with a lot of questions. So we're just gonna roll through them. I'm going to ask you the question, and you can let me know what you think.

Holly: Okay.

Myisha: Okay! Is there a difference between porn sex and regular sex?

Holly: Yes, there's definitely a difference. Porn sex is significantly longer, like we mentioned, and often porn sex involves a lot of tricks that may make it appear rougher or more intense than it actually is. There's also these lengthy consent and boundary discussions and even sign offs before the before the scene starts. So like everybody's very clear about what they're okay with, what they're not okay with, and there's the opportunity to break or stop or change things at any point. So there's an enormous amount of communication. Which, you know, leads to a much safer environment and place to engage in these kinds of sexual athletics that we do.

Myisha: Definitely athletic. Ah, so, I mean, I never thought about like stunts in porn, like having like the, the need to, like, do stunts to make things look,

Holly: Yeah.

Myisha: More aggressive or assertive or like but yeah, that makes total sense.

Holly: So like for an example, one of the tricks is if the guy's pulling a girl's hair, he'll actually just hold the hair close to the, to the root, and the girl pushes her head against it, as opposed to him pulling. So it looks like he's pulling her hair, but he's not.

Myisha: Men! Listen, listen, don't do this. Unless you're explicitly asked to do it. Just because you see it in porn. You are seeing a stunt.

Holly: Yes.

Myisha: You are seeing something that someone agreed to beforehand.

Holly: And we definitely talked about it because a lot of girls have extensions. So they'll be like, do not pull my hair!

Myisha: Yeah, right?

Holly: Yeah. And then also, we have like these little tricks like these tap out. So they can either just say cut, and we can stop. Or we have these little like hand signals that we hide from the camera. So they'll double tap the thigh that's not facing the camera, if it's like going too hard or too fast, and then that person will naturally slow down without them having to actually say it or like I said, they can call cut at any time. But there's like these secret signals that we also have.

Myisha: These, these are all things that I think we should be moving into our real sex lives. Our regular, as this person says, regular sex lives.

Holly: Yes.

Myisha: Yes! Okay. Next question. Do women enjoy role playing? Or do they feel indifferent about it?

Holly: I mean, again, like this is a situation where we're lumping all women as to like one thing, like "All women are this way, all women are that way!" It runs the gamut, you know. I know women who love role playing, I know women who think it's silly. I wish I loved role playing, because I have like, tons of costumes from shoots that I've done, but I feel quite silly doing it so, I don't generally do role playing, but I know some girls who absolutely love it, who really get into it. So I mean, that's just you know, it depends on the girl.

Myisha: Yeah. And there are shades of roleplay, right, there's costumed roleplay, there's just dirty talk where you're assuming a kind of different persona.

Holly: Right.

Myisha: So yes, there's there's a lot of points of access or entry into roleplay. And some people may like it, and some people don't. Best way to figure it out if they like it is to ask.

Holly: Yeah.

Myisha: Here's the next question. I follow you on all your social media platforms. I see many people asking for help in getting into the industry. Do you often help people meet people to help them advance in their porn career?

Holly: It depends on the person and how professional the request is, and how likely I think it is that they're serious, and that they have a chance. So if it's a woman, I will almost always respond because I want to make sure that they don't get pulled into a bad situation, you know, as much safer as the industry is now because there's so much more there's so much more like clarity, social media has been really helpful in identifying sex workers and you know, kind of pushing out the bad people and there's more communication, more resources, it's still you know, there's still bad eggs out there always. So if it's a woman, I will almost always respond, suggest various, you know, reputable agencies that I may suggest that they go with. If it's a guy, I actually have a video on my YouTube channel for men called "How to get into porn," so I just like direct them there. Because otherwise I just give them the same like spiel every time. Like just go watch that video. So yeah, I mean, you know, it's, um, again, it just depends on the person and like how realistic I think their question is.

Myisha: Mhm, makes sense. I also just want to highlight like, there are bad actors in every industry.

Holly: Yes.

Myisha: You know, the adult film industry has its challenges historically. As you said, social media is kind of helping to clean things up, as it were, unify people to advocate for a certain standard within the industry. But that is the case with literally every industry.

Holly: Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Myisha: Okay. Being a director in adult film, you capture what men are turned on by most. Everyone always wants to please the woman, but what's the number one sexual turn on for men immediately?

Holly: What is the number one sexual turn on for men?

Myisha: Immediately, this question asker asks.

Holly: I mean, I, from my understanding and experience men are very visual people. So I think that you know, I mean a female's assets, her butt, her boobs, her vagina. I mean, everybody's into something, feet! Depends on what you're into, right? So generally I understand that men are something visual is what will capture their attention. Women we're, you know, a little more complicated. And again, when I say women, you know, there's different women. And there's also different, you know, gender identities. So I don't want to generalize but.

Myisha: Right! and not all men, right? So like, generally speaking, right, more visual, can be turned on by the of the look of a person. I think that's why there's so many ways to sort of sort by type in sex or like in porn. Because there might be a certain body type, a physicality, a demeanor, or a physical act, right that you want to see that kind of sparks that for you.

Holly: Yeah, porn is like, the king of categories. There's so many categories.

Myisha: Yes.

Holly: And yeah. Find whatever you're looking for.

Myisha: Yep! I'm just gonna read this question as is. You can take it or not.

Holly: Okay. That makes me nervous. (laughter)

Myisha: Have you ever jacked it to a scene you directed?

Holly: No! Hundred percent no. Oh, my god, so people ask me this a lot. This is another reason why I have a hard time watching porn is because I know everybody in the scene, right? Yeah, it's very, I can't.

Myisha: It's personal for you!

Holly: It is personal! I know them as people. I can't masturbate to people I know. Like, that's just weird to me. It feels creepy and bizarre. It has to be people like I've never seen before.

Myisha: Yeah

Holly: I need to be able to objectify you basically. If I can't, like, I can't do it.

Myisha: That is the point!

Holly: Yeah, I can't do it. I can't do it. So yeah, definitely not because I watch a scene and I just think about the camera angles and the lighting and like, oh, you know, 'God, that couch was such a problem to shoot on it kept like, you know, flaking off on the performers' or, 'man, I remember that, like the sun was going down at this point. We were like rushing to to get this shot!' Yeah, I just I just think about all the things that happened on set that day. I'm definitely not like turned on by what I shoot at the time or afterwards.

Myisha: And does that happen to you when you look at other types of porn too? Are you thinking about 'oh, how did they get that angle?' Like it would be distracting I would imagine.

Holly: Yeah, I mean, it depends, like, a great example is I once saw a scene that was shot at a location that I had worked at a lot, and it was shot outside by their pool. And I knew that the location owners had just redone their, like their pool and had put down sandstone. And so they were very, very particular about not using body oil out there, like very particular. And I watched this oil scene by the pool. And I was like, 'Oh my god, Terry and Alan must have been losing their minds. Look at all that oil! That's never gonna come out of that sandstone, they spent a hundred thousand dollars on that pool, they must be so upset.' These are the kinds of things that run through my head.

Myisha: Yeah, it takes you out of the moment.

Holly: Absolutely

Myisha: Some people are thinking about, you know, their to do list or you know, they get really distracted by like how they look or whatever, or watching porn or being with a partner.

Holly: Yeah.

Myisha: This is where your mind goes.

Holly: Absolutely.

Myisha: And I appreciate you sharing that. What is the weirdest piece of furniture to film on?

Holly: I would say probably literally like what I'm sitting in right now. An office chair with wheels and arms, because as you can imagine, it's like gonna move as you're having sex and the arms restrict, really any other position. I mean, I've shot scenes on that before because the people that I work with are incredibly talented at making like the worst situations work. But that is definitely like, probably one of the one of the least favorite.

Myisha: Yeah, tip for for the listeners too. When you're when you're thinking about where to sort of break out of your pattern at home of where to have sex and maybe you're always having sex on the bed and you want to have maybe like a little you know, home office scene, stay away from the rolly chair. Stay away from the rolly chair.

Holly: Also bathtubs actually.

Myisha: Bathtubs?

Holly: Bathtubs are so hard to to film a scene in especially.

Myisha: They're hot to watch!

Holly: They're hot to watch because they're slippery. The water generally like prevents you from seeing like the penetration or like the performers really getting at each other. The water dries out any vaginal lubrication. The edges are slippery. There's not a lot of positions that you can get in

Myisha: Yeah, to hold yourself in place is difficult.
Holly: Yeah.

Myisha: Yeah.

Holly: One of the hardest scenes I ever shot was for Twistys with Kira Noir and Anny Aurora, and they were both, it was an anal strap on scene, which by the way, strap on scenes are not that easy to shoot, you have to have somebody who knows how to do strap on and like have a really good strap on that's like secure and doesn't move and like stays, you know, and then the dildos got to be kind of flexible but not too flexible. And it's got to be you know, consistency that's not uncomfortable. And then they also had angel wings on?! Which is like, a whole other set of problems, right!? So it's like trying not to block the camera also, like the wings are, you know, getting in the way of the edges of the bathtub. So I had to shoot a scene of these two girls, you know, anal strap on scene with angel wings in a bathtub. And I just remember getting that script and being like, 'Are you kidding me?' But you know what? Both Kira and Anny are so professional that they they made that scene work and it came out great. And I was like, so impressed.

Myisha: Amazing!

Holly: It's all about the talent.

Myisha: It's all about the talent!

Holly: Yeah.

Myisha: And speaking of talent, what is your favorite niche to direct?

Holly: Mmm. Like cinematic, cinematic porn, cinematic, usually girl girl, just because girl girl tends to be slower and more intimate. We're not waiting on a temperamental appendage to decide whether or not it wants to come to work that day as we do with male performers, though, generally, most of the men that I work with are really solid and can perform under anything. But yeah, there's just something about like the intimacy of girl girl porn, which, which I kind of like and the way that it can just be more slow and sensual. So yeah, I would say definitely more cinematic, right, because I'm always more interested in getting like cool shots and making it look more artistic.

Myisha: Awesome. Well, I have a little game to play now. If you don't mind, just a quick little ditty.

Holly: Alright.

Myisha: I want to go over some porn tropes and just get your take on whether you think they're hot or not. Some of them we've already like touched on. So I have a pretty good idea where you're going to land. But hot or not? Super close up vulva camera angles.

Holly: No, not at all. It just feels like a gynecological exam.

Myisha: Right?! Yeah, sometimes it's too close.

Holly: It's way too close. I'm not into it.

Myisha: Too close to be erotic!

Holly: Yeah no.

Myisha: Ok. Hot or not? Wearing heels during sex.

Holly: I mean, personally, no, because like, it makes it so hard to navigate around the bed. I mean, you know, you can't like do any squat type reverse cowgirl stuff, but I think in in films, it looks, it looks cool. But you also have to like, be careful not to stab your partner. So it depends on the surface that you're on, and how easily you can navigate. I generally, you know, tell girls that they can take their shoes off during the scene, because it just makes it so much easier to move around. But some girls like to keep them on and they're very capable of keeping them on during the scene. So but I think it's kind of hot.

Myisha: Yeah. Visually appealing. Practically, there are some issues.

Holly: Yeah. And it also depends on the scene, right?

Myisha: Yeah.

Holly: It depends on what they're playing. If they're playing like a sexy secretary, it might make more sense to keep them on but if they're playing a girl next door, then not so much. Yeah.

Myisha: Yeah! Well, the last one I have is complicated lingerie. Hot or not?

Holly: Oh my god, it always looks good. Like, I'll get these sets from Honey Birdette and I'll be like, 'Oh, these look so great!' And then putting them on the girl! It's just like, like, it's it's like a puzzle. You know, we'll be sitting there for like fifteen minutes trying to figure out how the stupid piece of lingeries comes off. And then it's like, we don't want to take it off because and then have to put it back on again. You know, if we're taking pretty girls, we don't want to like, put it on and then have to take it off because we'll have to like figure out how to get back on again. So, it looks hot, but I have to say like practically behind the scenes it's such a pain in the ass.

Myisha: Thank you. I think a lot of women feel that in their real lives too. It's just complicated and really not worth it.

Holly: Yes.

Myisha: Oh, thank you so much for this. It was a pleasure speaking with you and congratulations are in order because you were just recently inducted into the AVN Hall of Fame.

Holly: Yes! Thank you.

Myisha: How does it feel to to have your work recognized in this way?

Holly: I mean, it's funny because it's been 25 years and I kind of told a friend of mine who works at AVN, I was like, come on, come on, can't you just talk to them? Like, come on. Like this is getting silly. It's my time. Because I've actually never won an AVN Award, which people always found surprising. So I was like, come on, give me one! I've been here long enough so and then surprise, surprise, I was on the list next year, but yeah, I got to pick up my trophy and I get to bring it home. It's very heavy.

Myisha: Oh!

Holly: Yeah, I was actually like very, it's got a lot of weight to it. So it feels very like real.

Myisha: Yeah. Well, I'm sure your parents will be very proud to see that.

Holly: Yeah!

Myisha: As they will be to see that you were on KCRW.

Holly: Yeah! More proud about KCRW. My mom was also inducted into the Hall of Fame and she has no idea.

Myisha: I was wondering!

Holly: She has no idea where her trophy is.

Myisha: Aww.

Holly: Like we lost it forever ago.

Myisha: Aw, damn.

Holly: Yeah.

Myisha: Well, I like that it's in the family. I really like that. Thank you so much, Holly, really appreciate it. So where can people find you either online or in person if you're doing anything live.

Holly: So you can find my podcast Holly Randall Unfiltered on all podcast apps. Also on YouTube. Youtube dot com slash Holly Randall Unfiltered. You can go to Holly Links dot com with links to like all my social media platforms. I'm on Instagram and Twitter or X, just at Holly Randall. So I'm pretty, pretty easy to find.

Myisha: Nice. Well, thanks again!

Holly: Thank you!

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Myisha: Well, that's it for today. Thanks for listening. Do you need help in your sex or love life? Drop me an email at sex life at KCRW dot org. We might answer your question in a future episode. See you next week!

[CREDITS]

Myisha: How's Your Sex Life is a KCRW original podcast. Our producer is Andrea Bautista. Our executive producer is Gina Delvac. This episode was recorded by Phil Richards and mixed by Nick Lampone. Our music was created by Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs. Special thanks to Arielle Torrez, Malorie McCall, Adam Serrano, Meggan Ellingboe, Connie Alvarez, Arnie Seipel and Jennifer Ferro. And last but not least, a huge thanks to our voice actors. We'll let them introduce themselves on the way out.

VO 1: This is Andrea Bautista. Thanks for listening!

VO 2: This is Angie Perrin. Follow the show so you never miss an episode.