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All the Presidents' Lawyers

An unusual indictment, an unusual memo

Josh Barro and Ken White discuss the unusual indictment of Michael Sussman and the unusual memo from Trump lawyer John Eastman about Mike Pence and Donald Trump.

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By Josh Barro • Sep 23, 2021 • 35m Listen

John Durham, the former US attorney who was appointed special counsel to investigate the origins of the investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign and its alleged connections to Russia, has turned an indictment. A grand jury has indicted Michael Sussmann, an attorney at election law firm Perkins Coie, for making false statements to federal officials. Good lawyers and listeners of this podcast know that’s 1001 violation. But what’s unusual about this one? Ken and Josh talk through the interesting points of this indictment.

Then: John Eastman, a lawyer for the Trump campaign, produced an internal memo arguing that former Vice President Mike Pence had the legal and constitutional authority to set aside the results of the election and declare Donald Trump the lawful president of the United States. Uh, was that illegal? Was it ethical? Bad lawyering?

Plus: it’s sort-of news that Allen Weisselberg’s attorney said he “expects” more indictments, why Donald Trump is suing his niece Mary, and campaign finance indictments are rare but not as rare as two presidential pardons.

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    Josh Barro

    Former host of Left, Right & Center

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    Ken White

    Brown, White & Osborn / Popehat

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    Sara Fay

    Former producer of Left, Right and Center

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    Nisha Venkat

    2022 KCRW Radio Race winner

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