Listen Live
Donate
 on air
Schedule

KCRW

Read & Explore

  • News
  • Entertainment
  • Food
  • Culture
  • Events

Listen

  • Live Radio
  • Music
  • Podcasts
  • Full Schedule

Information

  • About
  • Careers
  • Help / FAQ
  • Newsletters
  • Contact

Support

  • Become a Member
  • Become a VIP
  • Ways to Give
  • Shop
  • Member Perks

Become a Member

Donate to KCRW to support this cultural hub for music discovery, in-depth journalism, community storytelling, and free events. You'll become a KCRW Member and get a year of exclusive benefits.

DonateGive Monthly

Copyright 2025 KCRW. All rights reserved.

Report a Bug|Privacy Policy|Terms of Service|
Cookie Policy
|FCC Public Files

Back to All the Presidents' Lawyers

All the Presidents' Lawyers

Destroying phone now

Josh Barro and Ken White talk about a conflict between the FBI and the Department of Justice about the aftermath of the insurrection, Matt Gaetz, and more.

  • Share
By Josh Barro • Apr 29, 2021 • 35m Listen

In the weeks after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, the Department of Justice came up with a plan to cast a wide net in its investigation. This would have involved investigating organizers and others who contributed to the event, according to the New York Times, but the FBI wouldn’t go for it. Why? It would be wrong to arrest people for joining groups or attending rallies or funding trips to attend rallies, but is it against the First Amendment to investigate people? Long-Suffering Federal Judge Amy Berman Jackson released an alleged rioter and had some words in court for him about his behavior once he’s no longer in detention and his religious beliefs. And was it a bad idea for someone arrested to text the group chat about his intentions to destroy his phone? Yikes.

Plus: hearings for President Biden’s first judicial nominees begin, with one name widely believed to be his pick for the next Supreme Court vacancy; Matt Gaetz, public corruption, and medical marijuana; and more demands for now-citizen Donald Trump to testify as part of lawsuits.

  • https://images.ctfassets.net/2658fe8gbo8o/AvYox6VuEgcxpd20Xo9d3/769bca4fbf97bf022190f4813812c1e2/new-default.jpg?h=250

    Josh Barro

    Former host of Left, Right & Center

  • https://images.ctfassets.net/2658fe8gbo8o/AvYox6VuEgcxpd20Xo9d3/769bca4fbf97bf022190f4813812c1e2/new-default.jpg?h=250

    Ken White

    Brown, White & Osborn / Popehat

  • KCRW placeholder

    Sara Fay

    Former producer of Left, Right and Center

    NewsPoliticsNational
Back to All the Presidents' Lawyers