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    The phone call to Georgia

    Josh Barro and Ken White talk about the recording of President Trump’s phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

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    By Josh Barro • Jan 7, 2021 • 33m Listen

    On Saturday, President Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and urged him to revise Georgia’s presidential election result so he would be the winner. He told Raffensperger he only needed to find about 12,000 votes. The call went on for an hour with President Trump reciting conspiracy theories while Raffensperger and his lawyer Ryan Germany explained with remarkable patience that the problem with the president’s arguments is that they are wrong and made up. Did the president commit a crime during this call? Is it illegal to ask an election official to rig the election for you? Who else was on the call, and might they be in legal trouble too?

    Josh Barro and Ken White catch up on President Trump’s pre-Christmas pardons and more.

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      Josh Barro

      Former host of Left, Right & Center

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      Ken White

      Brown, White & Osborn / Popehat

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      Sara Fay

      Former producer of Left, Right and Center

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