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For the second installment of our PieCast series, listen to it here.

Photo: Michelle "Cardboard Shell" Lesco (Michelle Lesco)

The great pie terminology debate 12 MIN, 51 SEC

Are cheesecakes and gallettes pies? Where does pie territory end and tart territory begin? Is a square pie just as tasty as a round pie or a slab pie? These are just a couple of questions the host of WNYC's The Sporkful podcast, Dan Pashman, tackles in this loaded debate with our very own Evan Kleiman over the technicalities of pie: "In the grand scheme of life, there are only a few categories of food," says Pashman, "Pie is one of them." Get the official rules for our pie contest on the Good Food blog.

Music: "I Can't Help Myself" by The Four Tops 

How to win a competitive pie eating contest 8 MIN, 19 SEC

Michelle Lesco is 112 pounds and 5-feet, 4-inches tall. Despite her small frame, she is one of the top female competitive eaters in the world and has eaten ungodly amounts of all kinds of things in contests, including hot dogs, chicken wings, and you guessed it, pie. Here's how to eat nine pounds of boysenberry pie in eight minutes, per Michelle "Cardboard Shell" Lesco.

Music: "Howling at Nothing" by Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats, and "Cherry Pie" by Warrant 

Pie-making tips from a national pie contest champ 11 MIN, 5 SEC

Now that we've covered competitive pie eating, it's time to move to competitive pie-making. Our next guest, Evette Rahman, has won eight blue ribbons at the American Pie Council-sponsored National Pie Championships, including best-in-show. Listen carefully as she joins us from her own bakery, Sister Honey's in Orlando, Florida, with some helpful insight into how she prepares for the big day. You can find Rahman's pie contest cheat sheet, plus a recipe for her award-winning Lemon Blueberry Blast Pie on the Good Food blog.

Register for KCRW's 8th annual Good Food Pie Contest, which takes place on October 2 at UCLA's Fowler Museum.

CORRECTION: In the audio, we mention that Evette has won 10 blue ribbons at this year's National Pie Championships, however the correct number is eight blue ribbons.

Music: "Apple Pie" by Rafferty

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