Russia and China declare a new world order. Should US worry?

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Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping look on during a signing ceremony in Moscow, Russia, June 5, 2019. Photo by Evgenia Novozhenina/Reuters.

We’re several weeks into world leaders trying to quell tensions over the Ukraine - Russia border. And if you thought things weren’t complicated enough, Russian and Chinese leaders also issued a joint statement saying their partnership would establish a new “world order.” That sounds pretty ominous – so why aren’t the United States and NATO responding in kind? Can the EU get over its energy woes and sanction Russia until it backs out of Ukraine? And should we be freaking out, or is this just dictators dictating?

Guest host David Greene discusses with panelists Tara Setmayer, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, on the right; and Mo Elleithee, executive director of Georgetown University's Institute of Politics and Public Service, on the left.

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Also, when did schools become public health and political battlegrounds? And why do schools seem the last to loosen restrictions when pandemic kids are already vulnerable to learning loss and mental health challenges? We bring on special guest Kimberly Atkins Stohr of the Boston Globe to discuss.

Then: President Biden has vowed that Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer’s replacement would be a Black woman. Since then, he’s been criticized by some who say this pledge demeans the very people it’s trying to help by suggesting they can’t compete in the process without assistance from the outside. But do today’s questions echo those around other groundbreaking Supreme Court nominations, or is this debate just a hallmark of grievance politics? 

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  • Tara Setmayer - Senior advisor, The Lincoln Project - @TaraSetmayer
  • Mo Elleithee - Executive director, Georgetown University's Institute of Politics and Public Service - @MoElleithee
  • Kimberly Atkins Stohr - Senior opinion writer and columnist, The Boston Globe; lead columnist for The Emancipator; author, The Emancipator’s newsletter, Unbound; MSNBC contributor; guest host, "On Point;" co-host, Politicon legal news podcast #SistersInLaw. - @KimberlyEAtkins


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