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    Political and religious violence at the US Capitol

    Warren Olney talks about the U.S. Capitol insurrection with presidential historian Tim Naftali and David French, an evangelical Christian and columnist for the Dispatch and Time magazine.

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    By Warren Olney • Jan 11, 2021 • 49m Listen

    The assault on the U.S. Capitol symbolizes “the culmination of Trumpism” but not the end of it, according to presidential historian Tim Naftali. “Many people believe it is a patriotic duty to overthrow our government … and it’s time to de-radicalize the Republican Party,” he says.

    It’s important to understand the religious element too, says David French, a columnist with The Dispatch and Time magazine. “Some folks just flat out disbelieve anything you say about the law or about the fact that Biden won fairly and squarely, and are fully bought into various conspiracy theories.”

    As a practicing evangelical Christian, French points out that insurrectionists waved Christian flags and posters saying “Jesus Saves,” while Christian music was being amplified throughout the building. He calls it a “Christian insurrection,” with people believing that Donald Trump was sent by God and that Joe Biden would destroy the country.

    “What happened on January 6 was a threat to our democracy, to our constitutional institutions, and a disgrace,” says Naftali. He says this is a signal to Republicans leaders: “They should condemn their actions as their predecessors condemned the transgressions of Richard Nixon.” However, Naftali does not expect this to happen any time soon.

    French adds that he and his evangelical pastor are well known for speaking out against Christian nationalism, which has led to ostracism and threats by people in their own church.

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      Warren Olney

      former KCRW broadcaster

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      Andrea Brody

      Senior Producer, KCRW's Life Examined and To the Point podcast

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      David French

      Columnist, The Dispatch and Time magazine

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      Tim Naftali

      presidential historian, senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs

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