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    Press Play with Madeleine Brand

    How to nurture a deep friendship: Advice from ‘Call Your Girlfriend’ co-hosts

    Listening to the podcast “Call Your Girlfriend,” it sounds like co-hosts Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow had the perfect friendship.

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    By Madeleine Brand • Aug 20, 2020 • 16m Listen

    Listening to the podcast “Call Your Girlfriend,” it sounds like co-hosts Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow had the perfect friendship. But behind the witty banter and professions of love, their actual friendship was suffering.

    The two lived in different cities for years. They stopped telling each other about big events in their lives, and both felt like they were growing apart.

    They knew they really had a problem when they planned a fancy spa weekend to reconnect, and were both dreading it.

    Friedman and Sow have since patched up their relationship. But their experience highlighted a fundamental lie a lot of us accept as truth: A good friendship is supposed to be effortless.

    Friedman and Sow write about the real work that’s gone into maintaining their long-term friendship in their new book. It’s called “Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close.”

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      Aminatou Sow

      co-host of the podcast “Call Your Girlfriend” and co-author of the new book “Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close”

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      Ann Friedman

      co-host of the podcast “Call Your Girlfriend” and co-author of the new book “Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close”

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    The full episode

    4 of 4
    Rep. Adam Schiff on USPS, election security, and COVID economic relief
    1. 0:00Rep. Adam Schiff on what USPS needs to deliver ballots, when Congress might extend unemployment aid
    2. 13:03Will Uber and Lyft comply with a new state on classifying drivers as employees?
    3. 21:17How Tom Steyer is advising Gov. Newsom on California’s economic recovery during pandemic
    4. 35:13How to nurture a deep friendship: Advice from ‘Call Your Girlfriend’ co-hostsYou’re reading this
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