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Karl Rove—the President's top political strategist—will leave the White House at the end of this month.  Also, the Red Cross report describing CIA treatment of detainees in the war on terror, with techniques learned from countries known to use torture. (An extended version of this program originally aired earlier today on To the Point.)

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Karen Radziner

Making News Rove Exit Creates Crucial Vacancy at the Bush White House

Much of the White House staff reportedly was surprised today when the Wall Street Journal reported that, after 14 years as the President's top political advisor, Karl Rove would resign at the end of the month. Some Democrats say Rove acted above the law. Some Republicans say he should have left before last November's elections. We talk with reporters who've tracked the relationship that helped shape six and a half years of American history.

Guests:
Carl Cannon, Real Clear Politics
Grover Norquist, President, Americans for Tax Reform
David Corn, Mother Jones magazine (@DavidCornDC)

Main Topic America's Treatment of Suspects in the War on Terror

The war on terror is going to be with us for a long time to come, as is the question of how we treat terrorist suspects.  The New Yorker magazine has published new details on the CIA's treatment of suspects at so-called "black sites" outside the country. Asked about the report at his most recent news conference, President Bush said, "Haven't seen it. We don't torture." But the article says "the Red Cross described the agency's detention and interrogation methods as tantamount to torture and declared that American officials responsible for the abusive treatment could have committed serious crimes." Is such treatment a violation of international law? Does it provide useful information?

Guests:
Jane Mayer, New Yorker
Michael Scheuer, former Chief, CIA's Bin Laden Unit

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