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The Obama Administration says drones can eliminate specific terrorist targets with a minimum of "collateral damage." But available numbers show conventional airstrikes take out fewer "civilians." We hear what it's like to kill people by operating a computer 8000 miles away.

Later on the program, is Hillary Clinton the last real "Hawk" in the race for the White House? 

Photo: Armed Predator drone firing Hellfire missile

Producers:
Christine Detz
Paul von Zielbauer
Evan George

Puerto Rico's Debt Crisis Grows Larger 6 MIN, 5 SEC

Yesterday, in a ten-minute televised speech, the Governor of Puerto Rico said the commonwealth will default on a $422 million bond payment. Alejandro García Padilla said "essential services" for 3.5 million people had to come first. Michelle Kaske covers Puerto Rico for Bloomberg News.

Guests:
Michelle Kaske, Bloomberg News (@MichelleKaske)

Unmanned Drones and "Collateral Damage" 33 MIN, 34 SEC

Drones have become a hallmark of the Obama Administration's assault against suspected terrorists all over the world, including in countries where the US is not officially at war. They're operated from a base in Nevada, and the President insists they accidentally kill fewer civilians than conventional airstrikes. But available numbers show it's exactly the other way around, and the White House has yet to make good on the promise to be more transparent. We hear what it's like to be on the "kill list, and talk to a former bomber pilot who's also operated drones.

Guests:
Bruce Black, private consultant
Jennifer Gibson, Reprieve (@jennifermgibson)
Paul McLeary, Foreign Policy magazine (@paulmcleary)
Mark Landler, New York Times (@MarkLandler)

More:
McLeary on Obama's use of drones
Bureau of Investigative Journalism on the covert drone war
Reprieve on drone strikes
'Eye in the Sky' (film about the use of drones and collateral damage)

How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk 9 MIN, 54 SEC

Republicans are attacking Hillary Clinton as a prospective clone of Barack Obama but, when it comes to foreign policy that’s not what the record shows.


President Barack Obama meets with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Official White House Photo by Pete Souza

During the Democratic primaries in 2008, Hillary Clinton called Barack Obama "naïve, irresponsible and hopelessly unprepared to be president." Then she became his first Secretary of State, telling Mark Landler two years later, "We've had some interesting and even unusual experiences along the way." Landler covered diplomacy for the New York Times and he’s now White House correspondent. His new book is Alter Egos: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the Twilight Struggle over American Power.

Guests:
Mark Landler, New York Times (@MarkLandler)

Alter Egos

Mark Landler

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